Sunday, June 21, 2009
In Holland, where I was born and raised, we started to get guest workers from Morocco and Turkey in the mid sixties and they were totally misunderstood. They indeed worked to provide for their families but the huge problem then was, that any woman or girl who did not wear either an engagement ring or wedding ring were free game.
I remember sitting in the last bus home and had to fight them off. I soon learned that a cheap wedding type looking ring did the trick.
Different cultures in different countries can be really hard.
Does this make sense?
the monetary system and how it's been set up has created lack and unnecessary suffering. and as mentioned, the competition is fierce (unless i'm playing poker, i don't want to compete w/anyone for anything). all so unnecessarily ugly and draining on the human spirit. have you heard of the venus project?
thankx for the reference to derrick jensen. i checked out his website and am intrigued to read his material.
And gotta fight to wash a dish.
...Find out things when you lose the money. Start to feel like a journeyman African.
Hm. Maybe I lose too much.
MD: it does make sense, though I think the point Baxter was making goes beyond that in pointing out the imbalance between cultures and especially countries. I think that imbalance actually serves to inflame any potential culture clash. Tariq Ali argues this brilliantly in Clash of Fundamentalisms.
Nina: Not familiar with the Venus project, I'll look it up.
Devin: I can see that, but I think that goal is probably indirect, i.e. the real goal is to accumulate power and control ("give me absolute control over every living soul" as L.Cohen put it), and when the most powerful work for that goal they destroy the powerful middle class in the process. But the poor get hit worst and first.
FWG: I worked a lot with skilled immigrants when I was in Toronto and there seemed to be a lot of anger that they were being shut out from the economic engine here. They'd never experienced that before, having always had success at home. There were indeed shocked that Canada would waste their skills and ignore their talent. Sometimes the potential success of their kids was the only compensation.
Kissa: I wasn't aware of that. But I have heard of that general trend in Europe, like Lapin in France as one example. I guess that fascist line of thinking is alive and well, if marginalized.
XD: a perfect anecdote for this thread, says it all.
Ivan: these days it seems the fight is more for white collar holler jobs than dishwashing. Those are increasingly the jobs that immigrants CAN get, the kind no one else wants, as Devin pointed out.